Talk:List of rulers of Austria
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- 1 erlier comments
- 2 Disambiguating Archdukes of Austria, Further Austria and Inner Austria
- 3 Tried to Fix it
- 4 Source for additional names
- 5 this page is a list, isnt it?
- 6 File:Albert II of Habsburg.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 7 Frederick III, Duke of Austria
- 8 Numbering rulers of Austria
As Lupo said in an edit summary, this page is a mess...and that's probably my fault, since I created it. There seems to be more dukes and archdukes than are listed here, but I'm not sure what exactly they were rulers of. Were they just heads of the Habsburg household, while someone else actually ruled Austria? Adam Bishop 15:23, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, I edited this page and didn't notice the discussion. There is a lot of confusion with the numbers, especially of the Leopolds. It seems that they started at I again with the changeover from the Babenbergs to the Habsburgs, but not with the elevation of Austria to a duchy. The Habsburgs seem to have counted the sons of Rudolf I and also the rulers from different lines of the dynasty when it split up cumulatively. The confusion is aggrevated by the different numbers as Holy Roman Emperors. Martg76 03:29, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I added the splits in the dynasties from the German Wikipedia. I hope it's correct now. Martg76 03:56, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. Adam Bishop 03:59, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- o Siegmund 1439-1490 and Sigismund (1662-1665) have the same link (to the first one).
- fixed. Martg76 10:44, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Frederick I => Frederick III?
Regarding "Frederick I the Fair, son of Albert I, Duke 1308-1330":
Shouldn't he be listed as Frederick III? Apparently there is no disagreement that he was Frederick III of Germany. The concept that he was Frederick I of Austria (I've seen the Austrian numbering both ways, although the Britannica has Frederick III) doesn't make a lot of sense, since there was a Frederick II before him. Apparently, he was Frederick I of the Habsburg line, but not of Austria itself. There is also a Frederick IV who is the next Austrian ruler, and the next Habsburg, after him.
Can anyone think of a good reason why his name shouldn't be changed to Frederick III?Eldred 12:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- The Habsburg Dukes of Austria didn't follow the numeral of the past Babenberg Dukes. So the names Albert, Frederick and Leopold are restarted. It's the same reason why Edward I of England is not Edward IV since there were Edward the Elder and Edward the Martyr and Edward the Confessor before him.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 05:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Disambiguating Archdukes of Austria, Further Austria and Inner Austria
What are the distinctions between the following: Upper, Lower, Inner and Further Austria? Furthermore, are there any archdukes who ruled just one of these lines? The titles of the archdukes vary and pages should be moved to the include the proper titles. Charles 00:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Upper and Lower Austria are Upper and Lower Austria - you can look them up on a map today (except Vienna, now a separate state, was then part of Lower Austria). Inner Austria was Styria, Carinthia, and Carniola. Further Austria was Tyrol, Vorarlberg, and the Habsburg lands in southwestern Germany. john k (talk) 14:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Tried to Fix it
I tried to fix the pages information provided. As a History Student in Austria, should be no problem. I have to commit that This Wikipedia is more complete and in my opinion better than the German version.
Source for additional names
Here are some sources that have additional and/or conflicting information. These sources may not be authoritative enough to be relied upon. Expert attention is required.
- The Austrian Flag - lists Margraves prior to Leopold I. Lists periods of control by other nations prior to Leopold I. Lists all rulers from Aribo (880-907) to the present day.
- Haydn's Dictionary of Dates and Universal Inforamtion Relating To All Ages and Nations, Benjamin Vincent, 24th Ed., 1906, G. P. Putnam's Sons, New York - presumed authoritative. Mentions Radbod, who in 817 was subjugated by Louis the German, son of Louis le Debonnaire.
- The History Files: Kingdoms of Germany, Austria
- Margraves of Austria - Geocities, presumed non-authoritative, includes list of Grapfield and Franconia names, who are all ancestors of Leopold I. This page says Leopold I is half-brother to Burkhard of Swabia. It's not clear if this is the same as Burkhard, Margrave of Austria. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
this page is a list, isnt it?
i have been doing quite a lot of work on the List of Hungarian rulers page, and was surprised how (over)detailed this "list" is. i think the structure of this article is good, just overwhelming in its content. some people have put in a lot of work here, but for me, a list shouldnt have long explanations, just wikilinks to them (eg. List of rulers of Bohemia or Lists of rulers of Spain). Jabberjawjapan (talk) 07:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- BTW i took the initiave (and axe) to the last section of the article (Republic/Modern Govt etc) already...Jabberjawjapan (talk) 07:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- It based on the List of English monarchs.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 05:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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