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References[edit]

The article almost doesnt cite references. There is trivia. redundant sections. Imporove it plz! Kulshi Balu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulshi balu (talkcontribs) 08:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Official Website[edit]

The official website listed (http://www.rajkumarmemorial.com) on the main page summary is not the official website. It is a fan site. So please remove that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K.ramesh@gmail.com (talkcontribs) 15:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC).


Official website has been updated.

--Deepak Gowda 12:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeepakCGowda (talkcontribs)

Clean Up[edit]

The article is in need of a clean up in terms of sentence structures and grammar, especially towards the end of the article and i also feel that there is the need to present all the information in a Wmore neutral tone. What you say? Lamuk69 (talk) 13:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Lamuk69, can you remove the cleanup notice now ? Jay 04:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've removed it. Jay 09:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
It's still pretty messy. Bit of Indian grammar going on here (don't throw that back at me, I'm Indian myself). I don't know enough about the subject to fix it, though, I just came here cuz I was just sent a video clip of him singing 'If you come today', which made me laugh so hard. I put the cleanup tag back on. Riana 20:20, 25th May 2006 (UTC+9:30)
Can you be more specific, on where the grammar correction is required? - KNM 17:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
hmmmm. it's a little messy, just generally slightly stilted. i might come back one night and try to rewrite bits. riana 10:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Fan site[edit]

This article is in desperate need of a clean up. The article seems to have had various edits by ardent fans whose opinions and edits have little value in a quality wikipedia aricle. "Waking up early in the morning", "drinking only milk" and also similar information are highly trivial and non-verifiable- and does not contribute towards the biography. This article should stop being a Fan site and start being a verifiable, balanced wikipedia article. Outlets of emotions of the fans can be had in the respective fan club web sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.172.199.77 (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Singing section[edit]

There are a fair number of article dropouts, also I think the way the singing section is constructed is...problematic. Do you mean songs in films for which he had not acted, or non-film songs? Also, I believe #89 should be removed until you can locate the title of the song. I should say that I discovered this article due to a link from the Kentucky Colonel article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UnseemlyWeasel (talkcontribs)

I assume you are referring to Songs sung by Rajkumar for others section. These are film songs only; and the data present in paranthesis provides the information on that film. Here, the term "others" refers to other actors, not himself.
#89 was not mentioned properly earlier. I just edited it and removed the phrase such as "dont know" and added the information of movie name and the year of release. Actor for that song remains same, Narasimharaju.
Hope this clarifies. Thanks - KNM Talk - Contribs 21:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

origin[edit]

The very name "swamayya" in his full name is a Kannada name, not Telugu. There are no "swamy"s amongst Telugu people.

dinesh

Dinesh, I dont know about the origin of Rajkumar. But -swamayya suffix is not patented by kannadigas. Enugula veeraswamayya is the 19th century telugu personality who wrote 'kashi yastra charitra' (a travelogue) --Vyzasatya 17:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
"...not patented..." - True Nareshov 09:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


Dear Nareshov,

i don't no much about the Telugu people surnames and my grand father name is swamy gowda, does it means that we are telugu, we are of kannadigas not telugu okay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.114.28 (talk) 03:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Gajanur[edit]

There have been edit wars over the location of Gajanur, mostly by anonymous users. Well I have created a page on Gajanur. Any further discussions on this topic can be had at the talk page there. Jay 13:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Charity[edit]

I have removed all sentences without proofs. Like the charity homes for widows and asking journalists not to publish his charities. Please state references for these -- Wikicheng 13:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Mother Tongue[edit]

Lot of edits have been made in the recent past, changing the Rajkumar's mother tongue to and from Kannada and Tamil. Anonymous user(s) editing this page: Editing without involving in the discussion or without citing the reference, will be considered vandalism. Please discuss here before making edit.

Here are the proofs to show Dr.Rajkumar's mother tongue was indeed Kannada.

  • Raj's Gokak movement was for Kannada and he(along with majority of Kannada film industry artists and people) travelled all over Karnataka to request the rights that the language Kannada deserved. In various speechings during that movement, he has repeatedly talked about his mother tongue.
Reference: Old television clippings shown during and after Rajkumar's cremation rituals. (April 12,13,14 2006)
  • Rajkumar has talked about his mother tongue as Kannada, during the presentation ceremony of "Karnataka Ratna" award in Bangalore. Live telecasted in Doordarshan, during the presentation.
"What endeared Rajkumar to the Kannada masses was his love for his mother tongue. He actively participated in a movement for the supremacy of the Kannada language in the eighties. Rajkumar respected Kannada scholars and writers ".

Thanks. - KNM Talk - Contribs 03:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Further citations:

  • Finally here is the best citation to top all above citations.

In the documentary by name "Natasarvabhouma" on Dr.Rajkumar's early days, achievements, first 100 movies (all in Kannada), his goals and ambitions, his family details, etc. In that one, Rajkumar himself has talked in the end of the documentary and says this, in Kannada : "naanu ellirali, hegirali, nimmavanu; kannada taayiya maganu; kannada taayiya sevakanu. kannada taayi aalge, kannada taayi baalge. sirigannadam gelge." This sentence translates to: "Wherever I am, however I am, I am yours; Son of the mother Kannada; Servant of the mother Kannada. Let mother Kannada rule, let mother Kannada survive. Hail sirigannada (ie, Kannada)".

This documentary movie is easily verifiable and is available from Karnataka Film Chamber of Commerce (KFCC), and below are the details:

  • Name: Natasarvabhouma
  • Year Produced: 1967
  • Occassion: When Dr.Rajkumar was felicitated with the reward "Natasarvabhouma" in Bangalore.
  • Production: Bharath Enterprises.

- KNM Talk - Contribs 03:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

mahawiki: The tamilnation.org reference that you provided to claim that Rajkumar's mothertongue is tamil, contains a lot of wrong information. There may be a village called Singanallur in Coimbatore, but there also exists a village called Singanallur in Chamarajanagara District in Karnataka State. My family hails from this village and even today Dr.Rajkumar's ancestral home is in Singanallur. There are no tamil speaking families in this village and it consists of only kannadiga families. Also refer to all the citations that KNM has provided above. -Hamsavanidasa 20:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Singanallur of Chamrajnagar district was in Coimbatore district till 1956. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dineshpkm (talkcontribs) 10:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

But tamilnation clearly says his mothertongue is tamil.u need to mention that also!u cannot trash the citation just because u dont like it!Mahawiki 11:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr.Mahawiki please read this interview in rediff where Dr.Raj himself says that his mother toungue is Kannada and he also says 'My Bangalore'.. just see this link [1].He clearly says the 'I was in for a shock as Bhanu and Mani started addressing me in my mother tongue and said they hailed from 'my Bangalore'. Please do not change the mother tongue part just like that without giving any proof. NAnuyAru 17:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for ur link.The complete para is as follows-

On extending greetings in Tamil, saying vaangu [come] and vanakkam [salutations], I was in for a shock as Bhanu and Mani started addressing me in my mother tongue and said they hailed from 'my Bangalore'.""" So its proved again that Rajkumar's mother-tongue was Tamil.Rajkumar's mothertongue being Tamil doesnt make him less-great.So dont think as if its an insult.Even Tamilians dont mind to agree that Rajni's mother-tongue is Marathi.Whats so shocking about Rajkumar's mothertongue being Tamil? Mahawiki 03:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


For people who cannot comprehend english, here is the comprehension of the reference link on Rajkumar's mother tongue. Please read the quoted refrence completely before discussing it. Atleast read a few lines after your quoted text.
Quoting from the reference [2] :
"On extending greetings in Tamil, saying vaangu [come] and vanakkam [salutations], I was in for a shock as Bhanu and Mani started addressing me in my mother tongue and said they hailed from 'my Bangalore'.
To listen to Bhanu in chaste Kannada was music to my ears as I had no touch with the outside world for over three months in the jungle, except through All India Radio's daily bulletins. She said she was sent by Nedumaran to get me freed. "
Here is the brief comprehension of these two paragraphs:
Rajkumar addressed Bhanu and Mani in tamil, but they responded in Kananda, and Rajkumar was delighted to hear Kannada in the jungle.
We have no problems in accepting the facts or consider it an insult to do us, but cannot accept people going overboard on maligning articles.
Naveenbm 07:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There's no clear conformation of Rajkumar referring Kannada as mother-tongue.Morever tamilnation.com clearly states that his mother tongue is Tamil.I want to hear ur comments about it and after that I am gonna edit the article.Plz dont force me to go for arbitration.Mahawiki 09:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The reference [3] is in plain english, where Rajkumar clearly states that he was delighted to hear Bhanu speak in Chaste kannada. A sentence before that he says he was delighted to hear Bhanu and Mani address him in his his mother tongue (Kannada). I have added a few more references [4][5], where Rajkumar's contribution to his mother tongue is explained in Simple plain english. Please read them fully to understand the facts. A lot of talk has already happened here on the tamilnation.com as a reference, I don' want to repeat the same arguments again. Which one would look more credible, a Chauvinistic website (tamilnation.com) or a website which has a pan-national outlook (rediff.com). Over and above, a lot of other credible sources on Rajkumar's mother tongue has been presented above. Naveenbm 11:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr. Mahawiki I think you can understand the simple English given in that link if not please take somebody's help to interpret that correctly.Even after giving so much proof you have not understood what is written in those articles or you are not trying to understand. This clearly says that u just want to drag this discussion.Please stop this. Admins please look at this and see to that Mahawiki does not edit the article without giving proper proof NAnuyAru 22:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Singanallur is a village in Kollegal taluk of Coimbatore district (before 1956). Nothing wrong if the village of Mr Rajkumar's father was in coimbatore district and the birth place of Rajkumar is in Tamilnadu now. It makes him no less great. He is a great actor anyways. Kannada Infomedia states that Rajkumar's mother tongue was Kannada ( Ref:www.kannadainfomedia.com/files/DR%20rajkumar.ppt ) History of Indian Cinema

By Renu Saran states that Rajkumar's mother tongue was Kannada.

Puttaswamaiah the father of Late Dr. Rajkumar the famous Kannada film actor hails from the Singanallur village of the Kollegal Taluk. (www.Chamrajnagar.nic.in). We all know Kollegal Taluk was in Coimbatore district before 1956.

adding video link[edit]

i am adding a video link on youtube to one of rajkumar's memorable songs. i think the *average* reader finds this far more entertaining/informative than a collection of 100 films in which he played king or god or a policeman. i understand there are big-time rajkumar fans like Gnanapiti who demand that the article be exactly the way they want it to be, i regret wikipedia is not meant to be used that way.

incase you think this constitutes linkspam, you should go and read what linkspam really means. --ti 17:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a source for providing entertainment. The video is highly irrelevant to the context of the article. Just because a few people find it entertaining, does not mean it has to be linked on Wikipedia. I don't see the video serving any purpose nor does it add any value to the article. -- Naveen (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Many articles have youtube links showing songs of singers eg. Beatles#Song_samples, videos of actors, because that is an example of their artform. Not just to serve as entertainment. how does adding a collection of 100 films starring RK as a policeman or king add any value to the article then? --ti 23:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Neither I'm a fan of Rajkumar nor I want the article exactly the way I want. But as an editor of wikipedia, I'm only interested in the quality of the article. Don't mislead by giving some false links. The example of Beatles article you have given doesn't link to youtube or any other external site for that matter. So, stop lying and contribute anything constructive if you can. Gnanapiti 00:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  1. i am not giving false links. here you go: M. S. Subbulakshmi#External links - sample videos on youtube.
  2. the beatles article has sound clips, so they dont have external links. give me a video clip of the rajkumar song, and i will gladly add it on here.
  3. you still havent answered why the entire list of films with his varying roles adds to the quality of the article (which you are ever-willing to defend) or serves any purpose.
  4. if you werent a fan, you would not call me a "loser" or other personal abuses of your choice as you did on my talk page. unfortunately there are crazier nutcase fans than you who would not restrain themselves in the face of criticism.
  5. if wikipedia biographies were meant to be edited only by fans of people, Hitler would be venerated out here. the very reason to allow anyone to edit and add information is to give a balanced point of view. just because a select few editors monitor these articles does not mean noone else should be allowed to contribute.
  6. i dont think i am alone in "creating an issue". clearly it has been two of us who have been doing it.

--ti 00:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


Only point worth replying-
If you feel list of films doesn't fit in the article, raise the issue in talk page. If all editors who contributed to this article agree, we can certainly remove that section. After all, that section is a hard work of some dedicated editor(s). As far as link to youtube is concerned, not many of us think it's appropriate on the article.
Regarding rest of your gibberish, I didn't call you a loser, so stop whining. Article is open for editing for anyone. And if you think adding youtube link gives "balanced point of view" to the article, I can't talk much. regards Gnanapiti 20:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
you did call me a loser on my talk page, in response to my question on your talk page which asked why you removed the link. go and check, if you have forgotten. replying to an innocent question with a personal attack is the main reason why i started whining in the first place. about time you came down from your moral high horse. --ti 00:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Memorable songs[edit]

The section Rajkumar#Memorable songs of Rajkumar seems bit odd in this article, and apparently just POV of some editor(s) who have generated that list. "Memorable" is a subjective item. Is it published in any article from any of the reliable sources? If yes, we can mention few of them as part of a paragraph, citing the reference. If not, we can completely remove this section. Any suggestions/comments? - KNM Talk 02:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyone? I will remove this section, tomorrow, unless there is a valid justification for it. Thanks - KNM Talk 05:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Since there was/is no objection, I am going to remove this section now. Thanks - KNM Talk 23:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Dr. Rajukumar[edit]

As I have experienced some of Wikipedia's rules, some sentences in the introduction need references. Furthermore, the language resembles a fansite at times, and as I saw on other articles, words like icon should never appear in an encyclopedia. I therefore took the liberty and rewrote it partially. please help me improve Kannada articles. I also want to be a user.

Dr. Rajukumar[edit]

i added tags because i want it to be improved, please add more references like on the page of henry fonda. he deserves a better article

plz dont remove tags they are important —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulshi balu (talkcontribs) 11:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed move to Rajkumar (actor)[edit]

I don't see any valid justification why this article takes the entire Rajkumar namespace. Possibly, it could take the Dr. Rajkumar (actor) namespace, or the Rajkumar (actor) namespace, but neither Rajkumar or Dr. Rajkumar due to the existence of other notable persons who have the same name. Therefore, it is only reasonable that the Rajkumar namespace should redirect to the disambiguation page Raj Kumar, while this article should be under the Rajkumar (actor) namespace, referred to in the disambiguation page as Dr. Rajkumar (actor). However, if there is any valid and reasonable justification to the contrary, then please clearly indicate (as I have yet to see any). Ncmvocalist (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

1 comment: there is no other notable person with name Rajkumar or Dr. Rajkumar till now. Bollywood actor's name is Raaj Kumar.GDibyendu (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Some suggestions[edit]

Introduction paragraph can be changed to:

Dr. Rajkumar (Kannada:ಡಾ. ರಾಜ್ಕುಮಾರ್), born as Singanalluru Puttaswamayya Muthuraju (Kannada:ಸಿಂಗನಲ್ಲೂರು ಪುಟ್ಟಸ್ವಾಮಯ್ಯ ಮುತ್ತುರಾಜು) on April 24, 1928, died on April 12, 2006, was the most popular actor in Kannada film industry. He mainly worked in Karnataka and usually seen as a role model to Kannadigas.[citation please]

He is popularly referred as "Dr. Raj" or "Natasarvabhouma" (Soverign King of Acting?) or "Annavru" ((Kannada: ಅಣ್ಣಾವ್ರು) (Big Brother)). He was called as the John Wayne of South Indian cinema.[1] He acted in more than 200 Kannada movies in a career spanning over five decades. Most of his movies were epic films (myhological?) in Kannada film industry. He was also a well-known singer, both as a playback singer in movies and as a devotional singer. His voice is referred as kogile kanta (Voice of Koel?). Rajkumar is the only Indian actor who has received national awards for both acting and singing.[2] (Great info: add interlinks for acting to National Awards for Actor page, and similarly for singing also)

I didn't make these changes, particularly because I am not sure of English meaning of some words and phrases used here. But English meanings are needed for English Wikipedia, I feel. I can volunteer for interlinking work and minor rephrasing of sentences, if needed. I understand that it is an important article. Thanks.GDibyendu (talk) 07:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

There is book on Rajkumar's kidnapping by Dinakar, the then DGP of Karnataka which details the kidnapping story and the ransom money behind it.hiiii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeprk83 (talkcontribs) 07:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

RajKumar's Kidnapping[edit]

There is book "RaJ Kumar :Prize catch by Verappan" ,written by Dinakar, the then Dgp of Karnataka about the Rajkumar kidnapping saga... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeprk83 (talkcontribs) 07:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Potential sources[edit]

The following links were removed from the external link section under our guidelines. Some such as rediff may potentially be reliable sources that could be used to verify some content in the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality[edit]

I have added the neutrality tag to the article. This article looks like a fan site of Rajkumar, rather than an encyclopaedia. I removed "Dr. Rajkumar", which I found in many places long back but some users keep adding that. Lot of such problems are there in this article. Filmfare Best Actor awards need reliable sources. --Commander (Ping Me) 08:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

'Dr.' title has now been deleted from unnecessary locations. The part about filmfare awards that was deleted yesterday has not been reverted in this article for lack of reliable sources. List these 'lot of such problems' here in the article, I'll try and correct them. Shall let the POV tag stay for now to avert edit-warring. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 09:07, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
I did not add those tags presuming bad faith. I had this page on my watchlist for more than a year and am definitely not a passer-by. I was the also the one who expanded the Filmfare Awards South page before 1980s. The awards for Kannada films were given only after 1969. Rajkumar had won only 2 filmfare awards till 1980. After that he might have won 8 awards, but since I could not find any source, I removed his name from the list. The same thing happened for N. T. Rama Rao also, where some fans added that he won 11 Filmfare awards and that too ten in a row, which is quite hard to believe. This is a BLP, but it praises only about his film career. The article needs a lot of work. --Commander (Ping Me) 09:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Never questioned the deletion of filmfare awards part. Just asking you to make a list of issues that make this a non-neutral article. Hope this is clear. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 09:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Waited long enough. Will remove the tag in a couple of days. Thanks, Niri M / ನಿರಿ 16:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Ofcourse, but I see no changes made since then. Most of the sections lacks sources. --Commander (Ping Me) 12:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
If citations are the problem, then please use Citation needed tag at necessary places. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 12:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi again, thank you for working with me here to help enhance the article. Much appreciated, thanks again. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 08:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

The article looked fine till yesterday. And now you have started to exhibit your fanaticism. The section that you have added has a lot of non-encyclopaedic material. Who bothers about these facts:

  • He never played a villain, and was the epitome of good character not just in his movies but also in real life. He shunned smoking and drinking both on screen and off.
  • He was always punctual for any shooting and programmes.
  • Always sporting a clean-shaven look, his dress code consisted of only white dhoti and white shirt, with sandals.
  • During shooting, he insisted that all the members of the unit should have the same menu and food must be of high quality.

It makes no sense if you argue that these are suitable for WP. --Commander (Ping Me) 13:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the inputs. Last three points were already there, the first one was added today and comes with a reliable source. Even I was wondering if the last point you've put across really mattered, but now that it appears it is not, I've removed it. Keep in mind that certain things make a person, and on this occasion, it's his sense of discipline which is in fact widely discussed. So the section shall stay but I've redid it. Will remove the NOT tag - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 14:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

As far as my knowledge is concerned he did play a Villainous role in Bhakta Prahlada. It would be wrong to state & cite that "He never played a villain" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zephyrmaten (talkcontribs) 07:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Singanallur[edit]

Niri M / ನಿರಿ : Singanallur is near to Coimbatore and nowhere near to the border of Karnataka and tamil nadu.The town is 200 kms from the border . i guess facts has to be presented as is in wikipedia.Let me know if you are in agreement and reverting your edit Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 14:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't think this is the Singanallur that is located in Coimbatore. Both must be different. --Commander (Ping Me) 14:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, now the birthplace itself is changed.LOL.The previous edits clearly indicates that this is a Fan page rather than a wikipedia page..if wrapped and concealed information is what the world wants to know , let it be so. Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 07:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

There is a singanallur near Kollegal which was a part of Coimbatore district in 1956. Later it was merged with Karnataka and it is now in Chamrajnagar district — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dineshpkm (talkcontribs) 10:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

birth place[edit]

the whole karnatka knows that rajkumar born in gajnur, why u guys misleading others by adding false data ?

authenticated sources to support my claim

http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl2308/stories/20060505002309800.htm
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/apr/12rajobit.htm
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004660/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/859391.stm
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2006-04-13/news/27427482_1_kannada-film-industry-treatment-for-neurological-problems-rajkumar


and sources mentioned about his birthpace as singanallur seems to be not verified by other wikipedians (their edit behaviour can be seen in recent edit summary)

first source just says "Puttaswamaiah the father of Late Dr. Rajkumar the famous Kannada film actor hails from the Singanallur village of the Kollegal Taluk"

and the second source doesn't mention anything about rajkumar birthplace, it just brief about kollegal taluk]

203.109.122.194 (talk) 07:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The website of Rajkumar Trust says that he was born in Singanallur and brought up at Gajanur. Do we need any source which is more reliable than this. Commander (Ping me) 07:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Well, i will contact them about this. thanks 203.109.122.194 (talk) 08:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
IP has a point. Besides, he/she has provided a whole list of sources. BBC, TOI, Hindu among several others (not counting IMdB). Birth place can be changed accordingly. PS: just for the record, I didn't revert the birthplace edit. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ (Talk) 08:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Explanaiton - Rajkmar was born in Gajanur , Talavadi Block - See these: [6], [7]
As per these souces here:[8] & "Imperial Gazeteer", only his father was born in singanallur. The sources donot say anything about Rajkuamr's place of birth. Had provided adequate sources that he was born in gajanur, although he has his father's birth place in his name.
See this map:[9] - The whole of Talavadi block is covered under "madras presidency"; We could see hassanur in there. Gajanur is to the south of hassanur, although there is no mention about it. The whole of talavadi block is covered under madras presidency.
See this:[10]. This src says that "Gajanur- the place where rajkumar hails from, is within the talavadi block."
Removed the POV edits of a former user according to whom "Gajanur was a part of mysore kingdom" - Completely Sourceless. Gajanur was never a part of mysore kingdom. The rediff sources simply say that, kannadigas seek the inclusion of gajanur into karnataka. The sources do not say anything about "Gajanur once being with mysore kingdom". The whole of talavadi block was once a part of madras presidency as seen in the map. All of these are adequately sourced.
@ User Vensatry: This website - website of Rajkumar Trust is not a neutral party source. It could contain possible pro-kannada POV. Sensitive and challenged data must be well supported with reliable neutral party sources. See these ones from "The Hindu" & "BBC News" - [11], [12]. According to these highly reliable neutral party sources, he was born in Gajanur. There is no question of countering these sources with just one "Rajkumar trust website" which is not a neutral party src. The Hindu & BBC are definitely more reliable than that and are neutral party sources. This is why i had provided multiple sources along with these, regarding rajkumar's place of birth. Hari7478 (talk) 07:12, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think that the TOI and BBC sources would be the best, per WP:PSTS. The website of Rajkumar trust is a primary source. If there is another reliable third party source, independent of the subject available supporting the official page, then we can list that in the infobox and say something like "It has been disputed whether he was born in Ganjur or Singanallur." in one of the sections. Otherwise, it is a clear violation of WP:CHERRY. Thanks. X.One SOS 10:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I agree, but never said Rajkumar's (trust) website must always be taken into account. I just quoted that as a matter of fact. As you can see, I did not post anything after seeing User:Niri.M's comments about the IP and never reverted the birth place, which clearly implies that I'm not against the change. Coming to reliable sources, even they make mistakes many a times: Rajini's year of birth is a good example. So there is no point in making this discussion grow further. Commander (Ping me) 11:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved as requested, please appropriate adjustments to new DAB page Mike Cline (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)



Relisted. Discussion on going and the link to the discussion was bad. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC) I see no reason as to why this is a primary topic. Other noted people like Rajkumar Hirani and Rajkumar Santoshi who are big names in Bollywood and boast of significantly higher more or less equal popularity can't be stocked under a dab page. But being assured of one thing, this guy is the only actor with the name "Rajkumar" as it is. X.One SOS 14:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC) X.One SOS 09:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Rajkumar Hirani and Rajkumar Santoshi and a vast majority of all the other Rajkumars are known by their full names, and barring Hirani and Santoshi, are not as notable as this Rajkumar. This Rajkumar is generally known as Rajkumar, Dr. Rajkumar, or Dr. Raj, while Rajkumar Hirani, Rajkumar Santoshi are generally always known by their full names. That's why the dab hatnote exists. As for the significantly higher popularity, please give some statistics. Lynch7 14:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
As you stated, he is also called Rajkumar, Dr. Rajkumar (official perhaps). To summarize all that, Rajkumar (actor), would do the needful. X.One SOS 14:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Support: Maybe I don't know what I am talking about, but isn't it more likely that readers would be looking for: "Rajkumar, another name for Yuvraj, meaning crown prince in India" than this actor? BollyJeff || talk 14:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
It certainly isn't an unpopular name. Should we, maybe, create a page for that? Lynch7 14:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Haha! If you ask me, i have many times hyperlinked Raaj Kumar to this Rajkumar. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 14:40, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah, yes, that does tend to happen :) Lynch7 14:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh boy. Even more reason to support this move and a beefing up of the disambig page. BollyJeff || talk 14:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose A simple google search on "Rajkumar" lists majority of the top results that are connected with this actor. As pointed out by Lynch, the others mentioned here are known only by their full names. On the other hand, Raaj Kumar has a higher page visit than this page, but still that page is comfortable with it's title. Coming to popularity, I don't think none of them are as popular as this actor. Vensatry (Ping me) 16:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I beg your pardon, none of the others are as popular as him? Honestly? Dude, Rajkumar Hirani, the guy who gave 3 Idiots, the highest grossing Bollywood film and Rajkumar Santoshi, who directed APKGK which also made around 100c might be known to millions of people around the globe. And btw, the Google search for Rajkumar is irrelevant here because it consists of all the Rajkumar's. The first page result alone is not sufficient to determine the most-popular guy of them all. X.One SOS 13:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
You can search for "Rajkumar" excluding the words "Santoshi" and "Hirani". See how many hits you get. Its definitely relevant. If I weren't on mobile, I'd have pasted the link here. Lynch7 13:51, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I prefer to have a disambiguation page have that word in its title. But i got a reply here Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#Title_of_diambiguation_pages that disambiguation pages should be called only XYZ unless there is some Primary XYZ. I dont like that because while hyperlinking we will end up hyperlinking a certain XYZ to the actual disambiguation page and then get some Bot's msg on our talk page about it the next day. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 14:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Comment to SOS This must not turn out to be a debate so as to decide who's popular. Anyway, I'd like to add a few to support my views. A google search on "Dr. Rajkumar" gives 1,420,000 results where as for "Rajkumar Santoshi" and "Rajkumar Hirani" the results are no where near this. The actor is widely recognized as one of the best actors India had ever produced. He has 10 Filmfare awards (a record which is yet to be broken by a Bollywood actor), two National Film Awards (One in Best Singer cat). He is also one of the very few south Indians to have received the Dadasaheb Palke Award. How can you say such an actor is not popular. Vensatry (Ping me) 13:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Just for the record, even 3 Idiots won a National Award for Best Entertainment Film and many more. The Munnabhai series was considered to be one of the finest in the history of Bollywood and holds a notable legacy today. Comparing article traffic statistics (1, 2) and page links (1, 2) might throw some light. However, I wish to make my stance clear. I am not divulging that Hirani and Santoshi are holding a higher fad and I stand corrected for that statement. However, I still do not agree that this guy is more popular than them so as to push them into a dab page. Per what WP:PRIME says, all the three ways of possibly determining a primary topic have been analysed and in Google results, Rajkumar has overtaken the other two. In the article traffic, Hirani has a slightly higher designation and in the third, the "Dr." wins by a small difference. Overall, yes, Dr. Rajkumar emerges swaggering with a narrow margin. My question is : Is that margin sufficient enough to say that this man is the dominant feature out of the three? X.One SOS 14:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
That's tending to recentism; after 5 more years, Hirani will make more films, and will get more Google search hits. In this case, when one or more of the subjects are still living, Google search is not a fair indicator. Let's have a slightly more time independent Google books search (which keeps in mind both recent and past publications). For the Gbooks search of "Rajkumar" including "kannada", but excluding "Hirani" and "Santoshi", we have 1480 hits. For the search for "Rajkumar", including "Hirani", we get 250 hits. For the search "Rajkumar" including "Santoshi", we get 480 hits. Lynch7 09:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Rajkumar is widely considered a legend in Indian cinema, of the likes of MGR, Shivaji Ganesan or NTR. Lynch7 09:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Dr. Rajkumar has been active for a longer period of time, yes. But how can we be absolutely sure that books always give better results as compared to other media? And, did you miss out my other comments about Wiki article traffic, in which both Rajkumars (Dr. and Hirani) have an equal number of hits? There is utterly no sure method of determining a primary topic. This is a case similar to what we had between Hyderabad, India and Hyderabad, Pakistan. In all forms, India gets a significantly higher hit but still it cannot be a primary topic because Pakistan is also a significant entity. X.One SOS 15:00, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The internet didn't exist in most of Rajkumar's time, and the internet has existed all through careers of these two. Books are being written from a long time, and continue to be written till today, so the results we get from books are likely to be more independent of the time frame chosen. Article traffic is immaterial; how many people visit a certain page has never been a criterion for the title of the article. Lynch7 18:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Books and other published media are considered more reliable than web sources. If you see the article traffic, N. T. Rama Rao's article is not even one-fourth of Anushka Shetty's. Does it make Anushka more popular than NTR by any means. Vensatry (Ping me) 18:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks like my meat hasn't reached you. Do books constitute the sole tool for deciding a primary topic? It is inapt to label this as a primary topic simply because they flourished in different periods of time and accomplished different achievements, at the same intensity of recognition. Or shouldn't Rajkumar be redirected to Yuvraj as comprehended by a few editors? It is a Sanskrit word meaning crown prince and this guy's name has been taken from that. X.One SOS 09:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
That very intensity of recognition is what is at debate. Of course, no, books, are, by no means, the sole means of determining the popularity; they are just better indicators than Google searches or page views. Lynch7 10:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps. But what about the origin of the word from Sanskrit and its usage in Hindi? Rajkumar is a term used to denote a prince and the word is most commonly used for that purpose. Sanskrit has been a widely used language for over 5000 years and Hindi followed suit a millennium back. Over this time, kings and princes were often depicted as "Rajkumar" and this guy has flourished for a bare 50 years at the most. Isn't it a straightforward claim for primacy of this word by the two languages? X.One SOS 10:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Shouldn't Rajkumar be redirected to Yuvraj? Original meaning and popular word in usage. --Redtigerxyz Talk 19:48, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Lynch7. This is the primary subject. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 20:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Support both moves. There are many others with the same first name or similar names. Plus, the word has another meaning as Redtigerxyz says. Don't believe this is the primary topic. Aurorion (talk) 12:22, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Support The multiple meanings of the word (name, prince, Raaj Kumar) all lead me to believe that this is better disambiguated. --regentspark (comment) 14:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. To people in West India from my generation "Raj Kumar" meant Raaj Kumar (Kulbhushan Pandit), whose name in the old movies was usually spelt as "Raj Kumar".Never heard of the South Indian actor other than he existed. AshLin (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Absolutely! I guess whole of the non-south india would associate the term "Raj Kumar" with the Hindi-actor Raaj Kumar and his hoarse "Jaaniiii". -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 10:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The others' full names lead to the correct article. Besides, all Indian names mean something, so redirecting to an article like Yuvraj, is, beg your pardon, silly. - Niri M / ನಿರಿ (Talk) 09:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
There is this guy with an extra "a" and a space in his name who is not correctly reached. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 10:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
You seem to have missed out "popular usage" for Rajkumar in context with the title. Very similar to Raja for king. There are tons of people named Raja, but still the original meaning refers to a king. X.One SOS 14:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: Let's not make this a North India vs. South India thing please. The only issue here is that there are many other people with the same first name and at least one other person known mononymously with a very similar name. This particular person may be very notable, and may be more successful than the others, but it has not yet been established here that this subject is the primary topic. Aurorion (talk) 12:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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hey fool
u said that famous song "Shivappa Kaayo tande" was from this movie, 

which gave birth to the singer Ghantasala.that is not sung by ghanatasala in kannada.

Nearly 1n 1947 ghanatasala started his career .He gave all time hits in 1951 in telugu "PATALA BHIRAVI" as music director.Even this fello rajkumar didnt enter into field.so CORRECT ur site.

try to give correct information

by ur welwisher


mr gentle man who adress people as fool , it is history that dr.Rajkumar has sung many songs which average singers like ghanta sala cannot even think off .it seems that uou people have the icons just like you like this fellow ghanta sala

gentleman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.199.69 (talk) 09:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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mallik (talk) 06:23, 24 April 2017 (UTC) Why is photo missing today, when Google Doodle is linking to this Page??

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Please change Rajkumar to Dr.Rajkumar 103.226.3.174 (talk) 09:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done Wikipedia does not attach titles to article names. — IVORK Discuss 10:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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