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Plagarism[edit]

This is my first attempt at a wikipedia page and I am very interested in receiving feedback. The list of codes on this page were initially copied from another public site. Although I have reviewed many of them without finding any inconsistencies with the actual DSM, I have not reviewed them all. Additionally, I have reservations about where several of the diagnoses have been placed. For example, Bipolar Disorder NOS is misleadingly classified under Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. A more blatant oddity of these classifications is that of Dyspareunia (Not Due to a General Medical Condition), categorized under Dementia of the Alzheimer's Type, With Late Onset; while Female Dyspareunia Due to...[Indicate the General Medical Condition] is categorized under factitious disorders.

I have not altered the locations of any codes from the original list from which they were copied. However, if reviewers of this page wish to restructure the classifications I would be more than happy to assist. 06:07, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikpatt (talkcontribs)

While I would commend anyone for attempting to add anything to our (public) knowledge, I'm not sure what this particular page fulfils. I came here for an overview, the sort of thing that an encyclopaedia usually provides. What I was seeking was an understanding of what changed between the various DSMs. What's the history of the DSM approach? How did it evolve? etc. How does DSM IV compare with its predecessor and with DSM 5. Of particular interest is the number of "conditions" described in DSM IV and in DSM 5.
A Table of Contents, especially of such arcane topics, answers none of these questions. --50.68.134.51 (talk) 18:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Disputed autism[edit]

A contributor to this page added a "disputed" tag, stating that autism is not cannabis related. While I obviosly agree that he is correct I am wondering why this person chose to mark this page as disputed. I have removed the dispute tag. Autism is not listed under Cannabis. Several equally innapropriate catagorizations are listed and I would invite anyone to reorder the diagnostic catagories (these are not in accordance with a DSM standard). Obviously, numeric codes, names of disorders, and other information directly linked to DSM standards may warrant the consideration of a dispute rather than immediate and subjective change. Please leave concerns, questions, and comments here; particularly if you are compelled to dispute the factual information of this entire page. I intended to access this page as a professional reference and I do believe that some disputes may be more appropriately addressed in other forums. Erikpatt 19:46, 1 Jun 2005

After reviewing this article, I realized that the confusion and issues raised weren't due to controversial classifications, but were actually due to formatting errors (incorrect formatting of sub-categories). After fixing the formatting, the categorizations seem to make much more sense. Erikpatt, good work for your first article. If anyone spot any more errors, or mistakes I may have made while correcting the formatting, be my guest -- I am no psychiatry expert, and I did not check this page with the DSM. Hwliang 23:46, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the major update! I used the formatting from your revision to update the alphabetical page. It also inspired me to reclassify each dx according to DSM standards. Thanks for the help! Erikpatt —Preceding undated comment added at 04:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Covers "all"[edit]

Maybe "covers all mental health disorders" (my italics) is a bit POV? I have no good suggestion how to reword this though. --Skagedal 22:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The DSM cautionary statement has been reinserted. Please see the Talk:Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders page for additional information. Erikpatt 01:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Obsolete[edit]

I have not looked at a hard copy of the -TR revision, but I have heard from insurance companies I work with that some of the codes from DSM-IV are now "obsolete" (V61.1 specifically) yet they are listed here. Elusis, 20 October 2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.190.161 (talk)

As long as there isn't a new revision or an addendum, nothing in the DSM can really be considered "obsolete." If it's published in the latest version of the book, it should be here as well. -- Tim D 21:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

These are not DSM-IV-TR codes, they are ICD-9 codes[edit]

Hi,

I've just been having a look at this DSM-IV Codes page, and I think there is some confusion afoot...

These are not DSM codes at all, they are ICD codes -- and the page template is designed so that clicks on any of the external disorder links go to an ICD-9 database being published on a website called icd9data.com, registered to a commercial venture called Alkaline Software, Inc. in Niagra Falls, New York.

Please check the official DSM FAQ for an explanation of the differences and similarities between ICD codes and DSM codes.

In my view, the entire list of codes being presented as DSM codes should be removed; it does not seem to me to be appropriate to be providing a list which is in effect little more than a very extensive set of links to an external commercial website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.210.27.66 (talkcontribs) 12:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Fair use rationale for Image:DSM-IV.jpg[edit]

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Sources to free excerpts found no-where else in Wikipedia[edit]

As the DSM-IV-TR website doesn't seem to provide free excerpts, does anyone agree or disagree with me adding sources, from PsychiatryOnline.com to article DSM-IV Codes ( PsychiatryOnline.com is listed at DSM-IV-TR Coding Alert )? There seems plenty of useful free excerpts, at PsychiatryOnline.com found no-where else in Wikipedia, for example:

1) Information about Dysthymic Disorder;

2) Information about Somatization Disorder;

If no-one replies for a while, I'll assume it's okay for me to go-ahead and add PsychiatryOnline.com sources. Standardname 23:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:DSM-IV.jpg[edit]

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Intellectual Disability vs Mental Retardation[edit]

While ID is the preferred term here, and looks like it will be formally adopted for DSM-5, the term in DSM-IV and TR is still Mental Retardation. I've got no problem with linking to a page that uses the newer terminology, but as this page is a list of labels used in a specific edition of the DSM, it should only actually use the labels used in that edition of the DSM. 72.44.161.138 (talk) 18:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Error in DSM code[edit]

Article: Caffeine-related disorders

   * Caffeine
         o 292.89 -Induced anxiety disorder
         o 292.89 -Induced sleep disorder
         o 305.90 Intoxication
         o 292.9 -Related disorder NOS

How to fix it..
292.89 -Induced sleep disorder
to
292.85 -Induced sleep disorder

I know that isn't much help really, anyone else want to lend a hand and verify this? Thanks in advance.
68.105.233.107 (talk) 14:19, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... you seem to be right. In the ICD-9, Drug induced sleep disorders are 292.85, not 292.89. Alcohol induced sleep disorder is 291.82. All Drug-induced sleep disorders have an incorrect code:
  1. Alcohol-induced sleep disorder
  2. Amphetamine-induced sleep disorder
  3. Caffeine-induced sleep disorder
  4. Cocaine-induced sleep disorder
  5. Opioid-induced sleep disorder
  6. Sedative-, hypnotic-, or anxiolytic-induced sleep disorder
  7. Other (or unknown) substance-induced sleep disorder
The mistakes are:
  • In DSM-IV, Alcohol-induced... is coded 291.8, but it should be 291.82;
  • In DSM-IV-TR, Alcohol-induced... is coded 291.89, but it should be 291.82;
  • In both DSM-IV and DSM-IV-TR, all listed drug-related sleep disorders other than Alcohol-induced are coded 292.89, but it should be 292.85.
In the DSM-5, these mistakes were corrected (see p. 415).
This is really weird! I'm not entirely sure how to add this to the article, but a few well-placed references to a footnote would make sense. - Manifestation (talk) 23:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I've given this some more thought, and the most logical explanation would be that the .82 and .85 codes did not yet exist when IV and IV-TR were made. That means it is not really a mistake. The APA could not have added the ICD-code to the DSM if it didn't exist yet. The oldest ICD-9 version which icd9data.com contains is 2006, while ICD-9 goes back to 1978. I did found this version of the ICD-9, which is undated, but which confirms my suspicion: it does not contain drug-induced sleep disorders. - Manifestation (talk) 13:14, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect Redirection[edit]

List of disabilities should NOT redirect to this page because this page obviously omits physical disabilities such as blindness, deafness, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.126.48.225 (talk) 01:36, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Not sure where to redirect it to, though. I think ICD-10#List would be our best bet. I have changed it. Thanks for pointing it out, anon! Have a nice day. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 23:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)